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No rating yet Subject: Re: [OT] Why there are so few New Grads who want Author: Rick Fischer Date: 2008-04-18 14:15:38 I like the idea of engineers doing their own analysis. It forces them, assuming they do a decent job of analyzing, to understand their problem. Geeze, I wish I had a dime for every time an engineer stood in my cube with a glazed look in his eyes and wanted an analysis to fix his busted project. When I asked basic questions about his project, they often have no clue. After months of shape-conjuring on CAD, they sometimes have very little idea what they're trying to accomplish. If they were doing the analysis, even a quicky first pass, it might force them to take a closer look. Of course, they could be doing the same with a first principles approach, and they dont do that either. I've seen a lot of seriously hosed projects get way to far, then fail in test. The FEA sez yeah, it should fail in test. Then, some scribbling on a napkin reveals the same thing. I had one supervisor who wanted FEA done on every project because, even if trivial, it was a reality check.
I think the "prevailing wind" comes in part from some of the software vendors, who think it's more profitable to sell more seats of low capability, low overhead software to designers than a few seats of high-end, high overhead software to a few egghead-FEA-weenies. Throw in a few wizards, add some seemless CAD to FEA coupling, and now your CAD jockeys with an associates degree from the local JC can run with the big dogs. Think of all the money you'll save!
Why dont the young guys want to be analysts? My experience is they dont want to be engineers. Seems like a lot see an engineering degree as a stepping stone to something else. They expect a big promotion in 18 months, and it they dont get it, they leave.
Rick Fischer Principal Engineer Emerson Network Power
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Pay them more and they will come.
In addition a company has to be willing to pay more for a analysis engineer. It seems that the prevailing wind (at least in private industry) is to get the designer to do the analysis. Companies would be hesitant to pay for an analysis engineer.
BAE Systems Edmund Singer P.E. Staff Engineer Applied Mechanics Group Fluid and Thermal Sciences
-----Original Message----- From: xansys-bounces_at_xansys.org [mailto:xansys-bounces_at_xansys.org] On Behalf Of eric.miller_at_cox.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 6:12 PM To: xansys_at_xansys.org Subject: [Xansys] [OT] Why there are so few New Grads who want to doSimulation
Dear all, Well, things seem to be stable, but there has not been enough traffic to really work things out. Discussing couples and beam elements doesn't seem to have an effect, so I thought I'd through something out there to get a good discussion going. We can all agree to beat this horse to death until tommorow evening. KEEP THINGS PROFESIONAL AND NO ATTACKS. Don't make me feel quilty for bringing this up. Many of our customers are complainging that they can not find enough quality new graduates who want to focus on simulation for their career, especially at the graduat level and especially when you require US Citizens. Questions to the group: 1: Do you see the same thing in your industry/country? 2: If so, why do you think? My oppinion for the US: (warning: old man "not like it used to be" rant comming) There just is not the attraction or glory of being an engineer. After WWII it was a way for anyone who was smart to move up the economic structure. Now, smart students don't want to become engineers, they want to go into finance and/or business. Or maybe I'm generalizing. Eric
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